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Kitty Hawk's 1/35 HH-60G build - Completed
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Posted: Sunday, April 05, 2020 - 11:37 AM UTC
I have started on a build review of Kitty Hawk's 1/35 HH-60G. I will build it mostly out of the box with a few extras added here and there to add some details to it. The kit is pretty complete and full of details as-is, but there is always room for more details and improvements.

Here is the teaser boxart.


The kit comes on seven grey sprues, one clear sprue, a large PE fret, and a large decal sheet with two marking options. One option as a modern HH-60G in overall AFSOC Gray and the other a slightly older (around 2003-ish) HH-60G in Euro-1 camo. Overall, it is very detailed and very complete.

I plan on building mine as an early 2000s HH-60G in Euro-1 camo from the Alaska Air National Guard using Werner's Wings Skis on it. It will look something like below.


There are only a few shortfalls that I have identified so far. One is pictured below. There are three small structural spars on each side of the ceiling in the cabin. Kitty Hawk missed one side of these. They are easy to add though using a few strips of 0.040 sheet styrene.


Added on my ceiling.


I have found a few issues with the instructions so far.

In the first step, the seat back for the gunners' seats are misnumbered. They are listed as E8, but that is the seat back for the troop seats in the rear. They should be G37, which are the correct gunners' seats with head rests.

In step two, you are supposed to build an additional seat for the middle between the gunners' seats facing forward. This seat is very infrequently carried, especially facing forward. If anything it faces rearward. If facing forward, there is no way for anyone to get into the seat as it is blocked by the gunners' seats. I decided to leave this off.



In step 3, I fixed the H-Bar seat support that the gunners' seats attach to. The kit part is more of a "U" bar and turned 180 degrees from where it should be. I turned it around and added the forward leg making it an H-bar, which is shaped like a lower case "h".



Actual H-bar. You can see the open end facing rearward and the forward, single bar, making a lower case h. In this case (in an Army UH-60), the extra seat is facing rearward.


On HH-60Gs with the internal ammo cans, the ammo cans go between the gunners' seats. The H-bar can be seen here as well.


I have not decided if I will go with the internal or external ammo cans/gunmounts yet.

In steps 4 and 5, you build the gunners' side bulkheads. There is one small correction here. On both side bulkheads, there are raised strips that are to mount the hoist control box and a guard for it. The issue is that only the strarboard side one should have these mounts as these parts are only on the starboard side. I shaved the port side mounts off with a sharp xacto knife.


I also added the release handle and cable for the sliding armor plates along the pilots' seats. Lastly, I cut the tabs off the bottoms of the side walls as I have heard the cabin is slightly too wide for the fuselage. I plan to attach the side walls to the fuselage insides and not the cabin structure to hopefully correct this issue.

So far, I have most of the cabin parts built up, but need to paint them and put them all in place. I had no real issues with all the parts and they went together well.

Below is my corrected H-bar, the pilots seats with cloth bandaid fabric added to replicate the sheepskin seat covers and the seat belt retractors added to the rear of the seats, sidewalls with handles added, and electronic boxes that will go into the open ceiling structures and under the pilots' seats. I cut up the pieces for the front electronics compartment in the nose (B18 and forward part of cockpit floor) since I was not leaving it open. Most of the above electronic boxes come from it and a few I had left over from resin sets.



A few other small corrections/additions I found when going through the steps to build the cabin and cockpit. These are pretty self-explanatory.





That is it so far. More to come later.
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Posted: Sunday, April 05, 2020 - 05:18 PM UTC
Cool, pulling up a chair, the popcorn and following along.
Gino thanks for doing this and highlighting any kit short falls or areas for improvement as you go.
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Posted: Monday, April 06, 2020 - 06:30 AM UTC
"cloth bandaid fabric added to replicate the sheepskin seat covers"

That all looks so awesome Gino! Very creative seat covers and detailing. Following
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Posted: Monday, April 06, 2020 - 06:53 AM UTC
yep I'm gonna be follow this build to
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Posted: Monday, April 06, 2020 - 12:20 PM UTC
Very cool Gino, I’ve actually flown with them before when I was a state trooper, 210 Rescue Squadron. I also may have a set of printed decals, you’re more than welcome to them if I can find them.

Found them. Full 8.5 x 11 sheet, all for Alaska Air Guard 210 birds, stencils, Alaska door emblems, tail numbers for quite a few airframes
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Posted: Monday, April 06, 2020 - 11:56 PM UTC
Thanks guys. I should have an update later today or tomorrow. I am currently working on the details and painting the cockpit and cabin.

James, I think I have the same sheet you have. Someone here sent me the decal sheet a while ago. I can't remember who it was though. I may use the "Lets Roll" logos on it.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 07, 2020 - 03:32 AM UTC
Haha, wonder if that was me? Pretty sure I traded or sold you a 1/35 scale AH-60 DAP, many years ago.?? The decals may have came with it. Someone was providing that sheet free to print years ago. Anyway, looking forward to your build 😎👍
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Posted: Thursday, April 09, 2020 - 01:13 PM UTC
James - It may have been you that I got the decals from. It has been a while. If it was, thanks.

I have continued work on the cockpit and cabin. As I was building it, I was looking at the decals for the instrument panels and the pieces they were supposed to go on. The pieces have a lot of relief representing the various instruments and knobs, etc. I almost didn't use the decals for fear of them not snugging down over all the relief and looking horrible. I am glad that I did. The decals went on perfectly and snugged down over the relief excellently. I did use a bit of decal sol and a couple coats of decal set to help them out, but there were no issues. They turned out looking awesome.




I wish there was a decal for the overhead panel though. To the ceiling, I added the H-bar rapel/fast rope rig. I also added a drain tube coming from the transmission drip pan.



On the gunner's side bulkheads, I added the wiring and a joystick for the hoist controller. You can also see how the port side bulkhead looks with the mounting bars removed.



The seats went together well and detailed up nicely. Of note, there are no seat belts for the gunners' seats in the kit. I had an extra set from an Eduard PE set for the Academy Black Hawks that I used on the pilots' seats. On the gunners' seats, I used the kit belts and I added the side belt retractors. Also of note, there are no decals for the seat tilt-back warning decals. I used a couple left over Academy ones here as well.



The inner door detail is awesome. The pockets are even open, so I may place a map or log book in them. There is an issue here with no inner door decals for the pilots' door too. Again, I had some left over Academy ones that I used. The kit does provide the inner cabin door decals, but I liked the Academy ones better and used them again. I also sanded all the rivet details off the rear side walls as they should be cloth covered, not metal.



Here is an exploded view of the interior so far



I still have some work to do on it. Next up is adding the straps to the aux fuel tanks. The straps are all photo etched with plastic ratchet mechanisms. They will look good, but it will be tedious work. Then I have some smaller details like the fire extinguishers and such to add.

So far it has gone together without any major issues. More to come as I continue the build.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 - 03:18 AM UTC
Dang, moving along fast Gino, looking good 👍😎
HeavyArty
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Posted: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 - 12:37 PM UTC
Thanks James. I am just about done with the interior detailing. I should have an update tomorrow.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 - 01:12 PM UTC
Work continues. I have completed the interior detailing and closed it up.

I added some gear bags, assault packs, first aid pouches, water jugs, and a back board from the spares bin. I also used a metal stokes litter basket that a fellow modeler made and sent me a few of many years ago. It is a really nice piece. I added the straps to the Robinson Aux tanks. They were not that difficult and the provided ratchet strap pieces (F8) are really nice. I used extra PE straps to strap the stokes litter to the ceiling and string to secure the back board.





I decided to use the GUA-2 (M134) miniguns with internal ammo cans. Even though not shown on the instructions, the internal ammo cans and GAU-2s are in the kit on sprue F. I used the KH MH-60L instructions (found at Hobby Search) for the ammo cans and GAU-2s. The ammo cans are parts F30, F38, and F50. I also added a couple left over parts from the bodies of Academy's GAU-2s for the ammo can feed motors. The guns will be built as per the instructions.

I tried using the PE for the ammo chutes, but was unsuccessful. I was able to fold them into their square shape, but could not get them to bend and flex into position without kinking. As an alternative, I had some vinyl/rubber(?) flexible ammo chutes from Cobra Company that worked perfectly.



As I said earlier, I had heard of issues with the internal cabin structure being too wide if built as per the kit instructions. To (hopefully) remedy this, I cut the tabs off the bottoms of the gunners' bulkheads (parts D30 & D31). I then glued the bulkheads into the fuselage sides. This is the same manner that Academy had you build their H-60 kits. I also scraped a bit of plastic from the openings for the side bulkheads on the roof to allow them some more freedom to slide in easier. So far, I have found pretty much every slot and locating hole really tight on the kit and opened up most of them to make everything fit better once painted.



It seems to have worked pretty well. The fuselage closed up pretty tightly with just a small gap along the topside and underside. I was able to fill each gap with a strip of 0.015 sheet on the underside and 0.020 sheet on the top (which looks wider since it is a piece of "L" shaped stock). All the topside engine panels still fit perfectly upon dryfitting as well.




Next up is to start on the engines, transmission and other drivetrain components above the fuselage roof line. I'll let you know how they go in a couple days.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 - 03:01 PM UTC
Excellent work!!!!
I follow you with special interest
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Posted: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 - 04:06 PM UTC
fabulous work so far Gino, how does it compare with the Academy kits, I have one in the stash that I keep threatening to build.

I was a bit disappointed at the two lengths of evergreen you had to plug the gaps with even after the all the cutting and scraping you did before hand.
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Posted: Thursday, April 16, 2020 - 12:23 AM UTC
Thanks Jose.

David - It is light years ahead of the Academy kit in details and accuracy. It was still a little tight getting the sides together, but not too much tighter than the Academy kits. For me, the Academy kits are lacking a lot of details. I ended up replacing most of the Academy interior parts with multiple Cobra Company sets when I built them. Here, nothing needs to be replaced. I highly recommend the Kitty Hawk kits.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - 12:59 PM UTC
I am still plugging along and have gotten pretty far.

I ran into another minor problem with the kit in step 14. Here you build the engines. I will not be installing them as I will close the engine bays, but built one to see how it goes together. There is an issue with part F58 not fitting properly. Either the part is too log, or one hose is too short. Either way, you are left with a floating hose and the part resting on the engine support.



The rest of the engine goes together well and they fit in the bays fine. Note that the mounts need to be reversed for each side as the instructions only show one side being built. I did mount the turbine faces (F65) to the bulkheads (C12, C13) since these will be needed to attach the prop shafts to later.

The next issue occurred in step 18 when you add the forward gear boxes to the turbine fans. The cowl (C66) has a couple of support pieces that interfere with the gear boxes and will not allow them to be installed. To fix it, cut the supports and remove them; they won't be seen anyways. They will then allow clearance for the gear boxes. Kitty Hawk also left the part number out for the transmission here. It is part C44. I also glued the transmission to the roof first, before attaching the gear boxes and cowling (C66).



The rest of the roof/transmission/engine parts went together without any issues.

Step 20 starts builds the main rotor blade. There is an omission here as well. Part C48 is the vibration damper for the main rotor shaft. In the instructions, it shows pins on the end of it. However, there are no pins molded on the part. Without the pins, the part floats above the swash plate (C45). I added 2mm pins from 0.030 styrene rods to both ends.



Step 21 has you add the rotors to the roof section, which I did not do. I always leave my rotors removable to make transporting the model easier.

Step 22 has you open a bunch of holes from inside the fuselage before you close it up in step 23. They missed a couple though. There are two slots on the sides of the tail for a couple of antennas (E47) that are added later. These should be opened up as well.



In step 25, you add details to the fuselage. Here, again, a couple parts are mislabeled. An antenna is labeled as G2, but should be D2, and the landing light should be GP10 (clear part), not G10. They also would have you add the APR-39 Radar Warning Receivers (E28) in two places on the tail, at the rear tip and on the upper tail. They should only be on the upper part. If you add them to both parts, you will not have two for the nose since there are only four, not six of them.



Another area that needs attention is the pilots' windows in step 27. Whether you use the older style with the small sliding window or the newer one-piece windows, both need to have part of their flanges removed so they sit properly in the door frames. You will need to remove the bottom piece of flange and about 1/3 of the way up both side. Once thees flange pieces are removed, the window will fit properly into the frame.



The rest of the steps are pretty straightforward with no issues. There are just a few more mislabeled or not labeled part shown below.




Now on to the model. Here it is so far.



Even though the kit is well-detailed, you can always add some more.

I added the wiring to the main and tail rotor.




I also added the wiring for the flare/chaff buckets and the brake lines on the main gear struts. I also swapped out the kit parts for the side sponsons. The kit ones come molded with the parts for the external gun mounts and can not be built without them out of the box. To model the internal gun mounts, I had to fix them. I had some left over sponsons from an Academy MH-60S that I used on the port side. On the starboard side, I used the outside piece from an Academy MH-60G sponson. You can see both of these in the darker gray plastic.




I also added the hose for the refueling probe.


Also of note, the front windscreen is really nice and fits onto the fuselage without any issues. It fit perfectly and needed no filler putty, sanding, or coercion to fall into place. I was really impressed.



That is it for now. The kit has been a real joy so far and I am really impressed by the details and overall fit, with a only a couple areas that need extra attention.

Next up will be paint and decals. I will probably get to those this coming weekend.


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Posted: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 - 01:39 PM UTC
you're really making great progress with this kit Gino and I can't wait to see the next instalment.
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Posted: Thursday, April 23, 2020 - 12:38 PM UTC
Thanks David. I am enjoying the build so far.
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Posted: Friday, May 01, 2020 - 02:42 AM UTC
Looking great Gino. Love big scale helicopters, but they’re so much work, lol.
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Posted: Friday, May 01, 2020 - 12:58 PM UTC
Thanks James. It has taken a while, but it is done and on the shelf.

I painted it in the '80-'90s European 1 Camo using Testors Model Master enamel paints. I used Euro Dark Green (FS34092), Euro 1 Gray (FS36081), and Medium Green (FS34102).

I used the kit decals for all the stencils and common markings. They all went on really well and snugged down nicely with a bit of decal set to assist. The only issue was that there are quite a few decals that are on the decal sheet, but not shown or called out in the decal placement diagram. The most noticeable are the handle position decals on the pilots doors (decals 15 & 20). Also, the step lines, tie-down and jack-point markings, and other placards under the gunners windows are not mentioned, but all are on the decal sheet. There are other general placard stencils left over that can be added around the fuselage. Both the Werner's Wings decals mentioned below and the older Academy decal placement instructions show the positions for all the left over decals. One other issue with the kit decals is the stencils for the main rotor blades (A48) and tail rotor blades (A63, A64) are printed in black. This will not work as the blades are also black. They just disappear. I replaced them with a set of stencils in white left over from an Academy H-60, which gives you two sets in each kit; one white, one yellow.

The rest of the helo-specific decals came from the Warner's Wings Pave Hawks Combat Rescue decal sheet.

It is marked as an HH-60G from the 210th Rescue Squadron of the Alaska Air National Guard. The "Lets Roll" decal on the cargo door was added after Sep 11, 2001 and came from a sheet made by a fellow modeler, Grant Little I think. I had no issues with any of these decals.

I weathered it lightly with a black and brown wash since most of these HH-60Gs are pretty clean and well kept.

Here it is.














I also used the Werner's Wings skis and their "Jolly Green Giant" feet decals, which trace their lineage back to the "Jolly Green Giant" HH-53s from Vietnam. These were easy to work with and look great, in my opinion. I really like the look of the skis.




This has been a really fun build. The Kitty Hawk kit is very nice. It has a few issues that were easy to deal with; nothing that was insurmountable. It is light-years ahead of the Academy kit in details, but there are issues with missing decals and some that are unusable. Overall, it is a really nice kit, I highly recommend it.
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Posted: Monday, May 04, 2020 - 03:12 PM UTC
Holy cow, Gino, that thing looks great!
HeavyArty
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Posted: Monday, May 04, 2020 - 11:56 PM UTC
Thanks James. It was a fun build.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 05, 2020 - 12:53 AM UTC
Looks stunning Gino, inspiring
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Posted: Tuesday, May 05, 2020 - 02:20 AM UTC
Thanks Tim.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 05, 2020 - 04:48 AM UTC
where did you get the stokes litter?
HeavyArty
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Posted: Tuesday, May 05, 2020 - 04:59 AM UTC
A fellow modeler (Mother, aka Joe Szczygiel) made and sent a few of them to me many years ago. It is really nice and I have one more left. You can get them from Shapeways though, designed by our own Matt Leese.